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“It is, and that isolation, again, is going back to that…” — Airing Pain at 24:24

“It is, and that isolation, again, is going back to that circle of pain we had. Everything feeding into each other. But there are ways around it, as you've said. Have an action plan. Listen, Paul, we all get problems in life, mate. But when you've got pain, the everyday problem becomes magnified.”

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