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“It's just that for the business, that's just busy work and…” — Software Engineering Daily at 18:58

“It's just that for the business, that's just busy work and useless because there's no return on it. So that definitely, I think in the trade-offs part is really important. And it comes back to something else. Your application doesn't exist out of one big thing. Now take amazon.com. You go to the webpage of amazon.com.”

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