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“But Cullen's friend, Herschel Payne, helped Cullen by…” — True Crime Brewery at 1:00:00

“But Cullen's friend, Herschel Payne, helped Cullen by corroborating everything that Cullen testified to. So most people viewed his testimony as trying to help an old friend, but apparently the jury had a different view. They were buying this whole thing. When the case went to the jury, their first vote was 8-4 for…”

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