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“Yeah, the main shift there is a lot of people have the…” — CyberWire Daily at 11:56

“Yeah, the main shift there is a lot of people have the fear of zero-day vulnerabilities or someone downloading a malicious payload and then gaining access. The real thing that's happening that we're seeing is people are gaining access through your legitimate users. And this is, I can think of a few public-sized news…”

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