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“That sounds to me like your description of a religion…” — Novara Media at 40:53

“That sounds to me like your description of a religion, where it's not completely my identity, but it's also quite intrinsically part of me. And it involves some rituals, which I do every day and every week, but it's not all-encompassing. It's just quite central to who I am without being overwhelming. It's that hobby…”

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