“by arts and crafts because there's like lots of different…” — Novara Media at 58:00
“by arts and crafts because there's like lots of different things and some of them are really difficult. I mean, there are lots of people who literally like paint pictures at home and it is their hobby and they've got no intent to try and sell them. There used to be, it's almost disappeared now, but I think both here…”
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