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“They were under the sort of counter payments for ages, but…” — Novara Media at 1:04:57

“They were under the sort of counter payments for ages, but then it became a professional sport. So rugby union is still really associated with like a middle-classness in spectatorship, except for South Wales, which is where I grew up, but it's a working-class sport, basically. And I played rugby union at school. I…”

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