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“Around the time of her child's birth and surrender, her…” — Serial Chillers Podcast at 15:38

“Around the time of her child's birth and surrender, her grandmother would also pass away from liver failure. Yeah, so I guess, yeah, let that be a lesson to you kids. If you're a hardcore alcoholic, liver failure is, you know. It's an option. Yeah, it's definitely one of them. So at this time, Eileen is around 15…”

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