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“I do not care about the access. I really don't. I think…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 55:12

“I do not care about the access. I really don't. I think access is poison. I think it changes your worldview. It warps your incentives. And my firm belief is that the less access you need, the more you get. And that has been borne out across the entire arc of Verge. It's been borne out across the entire arc of…”

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