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“a theory of the case for how to manage the border, along…” — Pod Save America at 47:48

“a theory of the case for how to manage the border, along with a path to permanent status for people who are here legally and openings and legal immigration. That's a balance which I think can win the public. But for the time being, we have lost the public on this issue. Democrats have lost the public. And that's a…”

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