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“And as an advocate, you are, of course, pushing for the…” — Pod Save America at 1:00:51

“And as an advocate, you are, of course, pushing for the best possible outcome, but you're in the conversation. And that conversation has really broken down. And as a result, Democrats don't have a working theory of the case that they can say out loud about how to address the border situation. And that's tragic…”

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