“No, it's an enormous challenge. It's not a short-term…” — Pod Save America at 1:06:50
“No, it's an enormous challenge. It's not a short-term thing. We're not going to fix this in the short term because Congress is a catastrophe. I think it starts with having a vision for what needs to happen and being able to persuade the American public that that's the right vision. Look, I think we have, honestly…”
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