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“Yeah, and that's a fascinating thing. I think in this new…” — Cato Audio at 13:19

“Yeah, and that's a fascinating thing. I think in this new era since 2016, any issue that, as we talked about before, any issue that codes as a Trump issue is sort of denounced and dismissed and set aside. I found myself sort of instantly recharacterized as a conservative Trump-leading journalist, even though there's…”

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