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“And here he is. This is interesting. My title, The…” — Cato Audio at 45:42

“And here he is. This is interesting. My title, The Troublemaker, was taken from Jimmy's self-description. I asked him a few years ago, why do you do this? He goes, I don't know. I'm a troublemaker. But Ambassador James Cunningham, who's the chairman of the Committee for Freedom in Hong Kong Foundation, reminded me…”

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