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“If Hanoi had gone differently in February 2019, if Hanoi…” — Cato Audio at 1:09:44

“If Hanoi had gone differently in February 2019, if Hanoi goes differently, we're in, I think, a much better place with the North Korea and U.S. relationship where even if Ukraine happens, they might feel some incentive, but it's probably they would risk spoiling something that could have been there. So I don't know.…”

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