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“I will just lay my own cards on the table. I largely think…” — The Vergecast at 3:55

“I will just lay my own cards on the table. I largely think he's correct about that. I think there is a lot of interesting stuff about crypto that became largely irrelevant because of the way that crypto turned into a bunch of ways for people to make a lot of money. So I wanted to have Ben on the show to talk about…”

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