“of what we're actually seeing on their side because they…” — Pod Save America at 28:51
“of what we're actually seeing on their side because they won't be chastened, they won't be convinced, they won't be made to feel shamed into not being this way. They have to be defeated. And the way you defeat them is not by saying the things that always feel the best in the moment to the people paying attention all…”
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