“Do I think he's the underdog? Yes. Do I think that absent…” — Pod Save America at 1:21:28
“Do I think he's the underdog? Yes. Do I think that absent Michelle Obama coming in, that someone else, whether it's a Kamala Harris or a Whitmer or a Newsom or a Shapiro, would start out with significantly higher odds than Joe Biden? I don't. This is my own view. And so I guess if I could be convinced that, you know…”
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