“you know, say what you will about him, but he is at least…” — Pod Save America at 22:53
“you know, say what you will about him, but he is at least trying to help you. And so that frame, I think, can change minds, right? And to John's point from a couple of podcasts ago, it only needs to change a couple of people's minds. There's 80% of the electorate who's not changing their minds, regardless of what…”
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