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“in the government and you're genuinely concerned about…” — Pod Save America at 53:48

“in the government and you're genuinely concerned about this. I don't know what else you do, but at this point, but say like, yeah, of course we want to ban this. But you're going to play whack-a-mole with Chinese apps for the rest of time. Yeah. It's like everyone's leaving TikTok to go to less secure Chinese apps to…”

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