“A lot of this stuff is a total black box to people that…” — Pod Save America at 1:13:01
“A lot of this stuff is a total black box to people that are outside of politics. And you actually have to demystify it and put a human face on things and build relationships so people make a phone call to see if something's true before they go out and say it. And that's work that has to happen before elections so you…”
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