“psychology and the idea of it's not Biden, it's not…” — Pod Save America at 52:20
“psychology and the idea of it's not Biden, it's not Kamala, it's someone else because it gives you the confidence of saying you don't have the liabilities of Biden, but you don't have the liabilities, there are no liabilities in your imagined perfect candidate, whoever it might be. So you get to skip over the reality…”
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