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“you can't innovate. Like, you are a programmer. So as a…” — Software Engineering Daily at 23:08

“you can't innovate. Like, you are a programmer. So as a programmer, you also want to look for new things, try new things because that's, I think, one of our passions. And if you can't try new things, what's the point? Like, at the end, it's just doing maintenance and I don't know, it gets boring. So”

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