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“That has been my position on the show forever. Governance…” — The Vergecast at 31:13

“That has been my position on the show forever. Governance regulations are bad, and he's running into some of that across the Republican coalition. I think the Democratic coalition, less interested in that idea, but also less interested in doing stuff. Now, there's one thing to learn from the first year of Trump 2.0.…”

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