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“you know, the big networks will continue to overpay for it…” — The Vergecast at 53:23

“you know, the big networks will continue to overpay for it because that's all they have left. And I think they're all looking at the ratings for the Grammys and the Oscars and everywhere else and saying, this isn't worth it to us. Yeah. And so I do think until there's monoculture again, these award shows are…”

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