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“I'm like, you can be like a Cino, right? Because Cino just…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 31:15

“I'm like, you can be like a Cino, right? Because Cino just tries to trap you in there with every little trick to like you to say. That's the extreme of doing a consumer product. I feel like we didn't have to go to that extreme. It felt like a little bit lame to like try it. It's like too obvious of a”

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