“And people like John which I take some of those ideas a…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 45:41
“And people like John which I take some of those ideas a little bit by very difficult to take some of those ideas from Sort of safety critical systems and that's how to thinking and make in any way shape or form palatable for normal people like me And so I kind of this is in back what 2016 maybe 2015”
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