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“On side for a moment There are lots of people building…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 48:09

“On side for a moment There are lots of people building them whether they should or not and they're really important to us now So how do I how do I help people start and grow and that's that's what I wanted to do I mean, I enjoy the process of writing anyway, but this is a book I wanted to be able to give to people”

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