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“I get that. I think there's some truth to that. Uh-huh.…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 44:38

“I get that. I think there's some truth to that. Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, I think it's tricky because for better words, like software engineering is changing and I think people are just going to have to like deal with that.”

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