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“sense of how big or small the problem actually is. You…” — Dwarkesh Podcast at 21:21

“sense of how big or small the problem actually is. You hear tons of anecdotes or tangential stories, but it's hard to know systematically by the nature of espionage how widespread this is. And so I would certainly be supportive of more narrowly targeted ways of trying to say, do more background checks before Chinese…”

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