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“between employers or to even start their own business.…” — Dwarkesh Podcast at 28:00

“between employers or to even start their own business. Because oftentimes you have people that, you know, come here, want to live and work in the United States, and maybe they even have an interesting startup idea, but they end up having to work at a big company, you know, for six years while they're in line for…”

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