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“Yes, we Dan said. No, it wasn't Dan. This person said to…” — Pod Save America at 7:36

“Yes, we Dan said. No, it wasn't Dan. This person said to me, a shutdown is never a vehicle for legislative victory. At best, it's a vehicle for messaging. But usually voters just want the government to be open and to function. Love it. What do you think? So I just want to say that, like, I feel like I don't know. I…”

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