“So you have the old school sort of negotiation around a…” — Pod Save America at 8:55
“So you have the old school sort of negotiation around a shutdown. Who's going to give in? The party in power is forcing the votes. The party that's out of power that's making the demands is seen as unreasonable. There's also, I think it still counts as normal politics, going to be the question of how long the…”
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