“And so what I would say is that an ideal, say, uh, outcome…” — The Ezra Klein Show at 1:41:56
“And so what I would say is that an ideal, say, uh, outcome or method would be to take someone that has charisma, that has courage, that has curiosity, someone like, make surely, and then integrate that person into an institution to put up those, uh, guardrails, uh, to refine”
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