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“to scale up, what you'd find is that they would end up…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 31:24

“to scale up, what you'd find is that they would end up being like a DevOps team again. And sometimes, sometimes separate to another ops team. And so, there'd be a separation of development and DevOps and it kind of goes against some of the principles of what DevOps was trying to destroy.”

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