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“Yeah, that's right. It sounds like a lot of your…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 1:06:26

“Yeah, that's right. It sounds like a lot of your customers, you know, the ones who have not a grade of your software for, let's say, five years on one end, you can say, oh my gosh, what are they doing? But they might just be happy with it. And if they keep paying you as a business,”

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