“who was a he was like a CTO or chief software officer of…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 46:57
“who was a he was like a CTO or chief software officer of the Air Force. He wrote this 100 page essay of, hey, the DoD needs a software factory. The Department of Defense, the Department of Defense and Air Force and they called it DevSecOps factory. And he said, we need all the things”
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