“And so that was when Ingo Swann and the CIA started…” — Serial Chillers Podcast at 1:58:56
“And so that was when Ingo Swann and the CIA started getting together. But he did say, and I thought it was pretty cool, he said, I am not this body in terms of consciousness, and consciousness can go places the body can't. So he's like, he basically says he just leaves his body and goes where he has to. So he went…”
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