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“So then I took a nap and I cut the lawn and I called you.…” — The Talking Pictures Podcast at 33:45

“So then I took a nap and I cut the lawn and I called you. But that was my first solo flight as the Sunday editor. And the way newspapers are designed today, you didn't have to go to a design center, right? You were designing in-house. Yeah, we did all of our design. So, you know, newspapers now are designed, you…”

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