“You know, I'd always been in control of everything. And…” — The Talking Pictures Podcast at 34:54
“You know, I'd always been in control of everything. And you're really giving up a lot of control when you're when you're doing the paper that way. Now, it works. I have no I mean, that's just the way the modern world is of journalism. So that's the way a lot of newspapers are laid out. That's just the reality of it…”
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