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“I was trying to convince her to do some more video. I…” — The Talking Pictures Podcast at 37:47

“I was trying to convince her to do some more video. I said, you know, you gotta, I really like you to do some more video. And she was, you know, mastering each, she was a theater major for Christ's sake. So she went from being a theater manager to be an award-winning photojournalist in four and a half years. In the…”

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