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“concise, compact. And so I've benefited from that my…” — The Talking Pictures Podcast at 54:02

“concise, compact. And so I've benefited from that my entire life. And, you know, as I've gotten into this retirement thing, you think about those people that have impacted you. And he, he obviously was one of the, one of the biggest ones from a professional standpoint where he just, he gave you those tools and he…”

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