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“That that you're not you're not getting paid to do that…” — The Talking Pictures Podcast at 9:05

“That that you're not you're not getting paid to do that anymore. And you've got to go find someplace and something to do with yourself that makes you feel good about yourself. Yeah. So that's why I wanted to talk to you. But let's start at the beginning and talk about how your journey from the second to back row of…”

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