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“So another thing, if the court says, look, I don't know…” — Cato Audio at 15:57

“So another thing, if the court says, look, I don't know whether you did anything or not, but I'm ordering you not to do anything going forward. And hopefully everybody can see what a huge distinction that is. So really, the federal law can be triggered with no showing of misconduct, no showing that the person…”

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