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“Yeah. And those impulses will... I mean, certainly, I…” — Cato Audio at 54:52

“Yeah. And those impulses will... I mean, certainly, I think if Gabbard is confirmed, that might be a uphill battle, but she might serve as ballast in a cabinet by certainly Secretary of State Rubio, who's a little bit more of a plumb line hawk in a neocon tradition. So I don't know. In addition to loyalty, is he…”

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