“I haven't seen him smile. I've never seen him smile. I've…” — Pod Save America at 41:17
“I haven't seen him smile. I've never seen him smile. I've never seen him. He's always very severe. You know, so there are other elements of campaigning, you know, that I would like to see, you know, I mean, even, I mean, you must have had him here. But I don't know how he is sort of just”
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