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“Catherine, welcome to the show. Thanks, John. Great to be…” — Software Engineering Daily at 1:16

“Catherine, welcome to the show. Thanks, John. Great to be here. Yeah, absolutely. It's good to have you on the show. So, you know, I was looking into your background. You have a pretty fascinating background where you've spent some time in startups. You've done some defense consulting. Now you're leading a developer…”

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