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“And that was meines Erachtens the case. He had to be in…” — Acht Milliarden: Der Auslands-Podcast des SPIEGEL at 8:03

“And that was meines Erachtens the case. He had to be in the middle of a few months, probably, to this TV-Duel. And there was probably also some of his work in his colleagues in the engsten Kreis, this kind of thing to keep in mind, that he actually doesn't have any more so. Well, the right thing and the big debate in…”

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