“a scalpel versus like a whole army versus sledgehammers…” — Pod Save America at 1:18:48
“a scalpel versus like a whole army versus sledgehammers, just hitting anything that you could possibly hit. And so even to give the first Trump administration some credit under, you know, Bob Lighthizer and others, the ultimate approach they took to China was more calibrated. It wasn't across the board. It didn't hit…”
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