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“They could be all sorts of things. It could be from…” — Happy Life Studios Podcast at 5:53

“They could be all sorts of things. It could be from literally being incarcerated, literally being in chains to having change of other things in our life, metaphorically, symbolically. You know, I love to use symbolism. I love to use metaphor because I think everything that's happening around us, we can pay attention.…”

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